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How Do You Value a Domain Name?

This morning, I wrote a post about the launch of Valuate.com, an automated domain valuation website. Over the years, people have discussed the process of placing a value on domain names, and I tend to say (as well as others), “a domain name is worth what someone will pay for it.”

Perhaps this isn’t entirely accurate, because it’s impossible to gauge what anyone would or could pay for a particular domain name. There are many things to consider, and perhaps my statement is too much of a generalization?

It’s known that I don’t trust or generally believe professional appraisals, as they are almost always biased. When someone tells me they have a professional appraisal for a domain name that I am trying to buy, I generally reply by saying something like this:

“I don’t believe that appraisals can be accurate for a number of reasons. It’s in the appraisal company’s best interest to make the appraisal very high, as they hope to have repeat business.  If they gave you an appraisal of $200 and you had 50 other names that needed appraisals, would you return to that company? It’s much more likely that you would return if they told you that your name was worth $15,000.

I think it’s impossible to say what a name is worth officially, because you might be able to get much more than I am offering for the domain name eventually, but that isn’t a given and that day could also never come.”

The point I try to make by stating this is that the value of the domain name should be what I am willing to pay for it, and if they are still talking to me, they obviously have never had a higher offer. They can either take the opinion of a company that is making 100% margin on a domain appraisal and wants more business, or accept the cash offer I made.

In any case, the real question here is how do you place a value on a domain name?


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Free Ticket to Traffic Auction

I just received an email from Rick Latona, who is running an auction tomorrow, and I wanted to pass along his special offer. Rick is offering a free ticket to the Traffic auction in New York to people who are planning to bid on a domain name in his auction (tomorrow at 4:30pm) who don’t already have a ticket to the conference. In the past (and maybe present), tickets to the auction were available for purchase, and Rick Latona is going to cover this expense.

“If you are in New York and promise to bid at the auction and don’t have a ticket to the show, don’t worry. I’ll buy you a ticket! Just ask. We’ll make sure you are in the room and have a paddle if you are shopping for a name.”

I happen to know a couple of people who live in the area but only planned to network at private functions during the conference, so perhaps this will be of interest to them. If you are in the area and want to bid but don’t have a ticket, get in touch with Rick via the contact form on RickLatona.com ASAP.

Below are the names that will be in Rick’s live auction on Tuesday:

247Live.com
900.com
Acronyms.com
ActingLessons.com
Altercation.com
AntiDepressants.net
AntiWrinkleLotion.com
AortaSurgery.com
Aunt.net
Avatars.com
BackInjuryAttorneys.com
Ballwin.com
Bananas.com
BeverlyHillsPlasticSurgeons.com
Bourbon.com
Boy.com
BroadwayShows.com
BulkShirts.com
Bulldoze.com
Bunk.com
Bursars.com
Buscar.com
BusinessNetbooks.com
Cages.com
Canadians.com
Carts.net
CashAllowances.com
CellPhoneApps.com
CeramicTiles.com
CestBon.com
ChargingStations.com
ChildPsychologists.com
Ciders.com
Clemson.net
Clinging.com
Coaxing.com
Coding.com
Coed.com
Collapsed.com
CommemorativePlate.com
CommercialBonds.com
Conditional.com
Contracted.net
CorporateJets.com
Cultivating.com
CY.com
Dabbled.com
Dancing.com
Database.com
DearbornHeights.net
DebtSolutions.com
Decorators.us
Detroit.info
Diamantes.com
DinnerNapkins.com
Disappointments.com
DLE.com
Draw.com
DreamHolidays.com
DrugMoney.com
DrumShops.com
DryMartinis.com
DumbAsses.com
EMM.com
ExecutiveSalesJobs.com
Figuratively.com
FiletMignons.com
Frustrate.com
GameShow.com
GolfClubs.com
GuatemalaCity.com
Hackensack.com
HairStudios.com
Halp.com
Hamy.com
HealthSupplements.com plus others (see description)
Hear.com
HeavyweightBoxer.com
Hell.com
Herbals.org
HerbalTeas.com
Hipo.com
HomeAlarmSystems.com
Hookahs.com
Housekeepers.com
iAuction.com
Ignoring.com
IKC.com
Infringing.com
Inhibitors.com
InnSite.com
Interacts.com
Interrogating.com
Jewellery.net
JV.net
Kasino.com
Kindergarten.com
Laggard.com
LasikSurgeons.net
Lisbon.com
LivePersons.com
LonelyHearts.com
LotteryNumber.com
Lunatics.com
MadisonAvenue.com
MaleStripClub.com
MaleStripClubs.com
Marketers.com
MBAJobs.com
MeetingWomen.com
Meg.net
Megan.com
Mimes.net
Minister.net
MisTypes.com
ModelShip.com and ModelShips.com
NeckInjuryAttorneys.com
Newfoundland.com
NewYorkCity.cc
NHO.com
Nudged.com
Odes.com
OFE.com
Ontario.info
OutOfState.com
Overridden.com
Overtaking.com
Packing.com
PainMedicines.com
PapuaNewGuinea.com
Pears.net
PinkDiamond.com
PopStars.com
Porn.co.za
PornStars.com, SexStars.com and AdultStars.com
PreownedExoticCars.com
ProductCycles.com
PureBullDogs.com
QDC.com
QuitGambling.org
Reassembled.com
Referrals.com
Regretfully.com
RentalHomes.com
Reverend.net
Rio.com
Saddam.com
SaddamHussein.com
SandyBeaches.com
Satisfier.com
Schizophrenic.com
SchoolLoans.com
Scrimmage.com
ScubaDiver.com
Seals.com
Season.com
SecurityDevice.com
SeniorCitizen.com/SeniorCitizens.com
SenseOfHumor.com
Skidders.com and Skidders.net
SkyDiver.com
SM.com
Snog.co.uk
Snog.com
Snowboarders
SportClinic.com
StateFlag.com and StateFlags.com
Stimulant.com
StockInvestments.net
Tacoma.com
T-Bills.com
TechnicalSupport.com
TheBronx.net
TheCompany.com
TheUnitedKingdom.com
Timorleste.com
Transforms.com
Treinta.com
Tweenies.com
UsedRVs.com
UsedSmartPhones.com
UTN.com
UZS.com
VFJ.com
Viewers.com
VoiceOverIP.com
WebmasterForum.com
WeddingProverbs.com
Whiskey.com
Window.com
WrinkleLotion.com
Writers.net
Z6.com, Z6.net and Z6.org


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DomainBrokers.com – Selling Great Domain Names

During my daily Whois lookups, I frequently see domain names registered at NameView, using a privacy guard. On many of these domain names, there is a note in the Whois listing indicating that the name might be for sale – or is at least potentially available to acquire. The message says, Domainbrokers.com is authorized by the domain owner to facilitate the sale of this domain.”

Until today, I always passed on these domain names figuring the acquisition cost would be too great for me, however, I figured I would take a shot and inquire about a domain name I was interested in buying. In order to make an offer for one of the domain names, you need to sign up for an account, providing name, company name, and contact information. I am sure this is to deter tire kickers and others who aren’t serious about buying a domain name. It also gives the domain owner the opportunity to learn a bit about potential buyers.

Today, I decided I would sign up for an account and found that this registration process was simple and fairly quick. I was then able to search for domain names using keywords of interest, and I would be able to make offers on domain names I was interested in buying. On certain domain names, they have an error message that shows up if the offer doesn’t meet their minimum valuation. The domain names certainly aren’t cheap, but these are great domain names and DomainBrokers.com makes it easy for a potential buyer to put his best offer in front of the owner.

I found that when I searched for domain names that ended with certain keywords, there would always be no results, so I assume there is some sort of programming error there. I found it pretty simple to search, although I think it would be great if I could do advanced searches for keywords + keyword exclusions…etc. With all the domain names that they are brokering, I think an advanced search function could help make it easier to acquire names. However, the domain names aren’t really priced to sell quickly.

If you haven’t checked out DomainBrokers.com yet, you might consider doing it. Just realize that you aren’t going to find domain names that are underpriced.


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Taking Valuate.com for a Test Drive

When I visited Domaining.com yesterday, I saw the headline announcing the launch of Valuate.com, a sister website of Domaining.com and a domain valuation tool that is run using Estibot 2.0. Users are allowed to look up 50 domain names if they aren’t registered users of Domaining.com and 200 if they are logged in to their Domaining.com account. This is the Beta version of the site, with the full launch expected to come in December.

One of the easiest ways to do a comparison of domain values is to compare recent domain sales from DN Journal with the results from Valuate.com. Since a domain name’s actual value is derived from what someone would pay for a domain name, one can infer that the recent sales price is close to its valuation. I wanted to take the new site for a test drive to see the results, and I figured using recent sales would be the most fair way to compare.

Below are some recent sales along with their prices and the Valuate.com valuation. I also added a few of my domain names to see how they are valued.

Domain Name | Sales Price | Valuate.com Valuation
Resumes.com | $400,000 | $910,000
Candy.com | $3,000,000 | $3,080,000
Bubbler.com | $10,000 | $10,000
Exterminator.com | $600,000 | $620,000
Ticket.com | $1,535,000 | $2,600,000
Luck.com | $675,000 | $690,000
Voodoo.com | $300,000 | $320,000
Jets.com | $375,000 | $620,000
Christian.com | $600,000 | $1,300,000
ChinaTours.com | $200,000 | $210,000
800.com | $250,000 | $260,000
Physicians.com | $250,000 | $700,000
DiamondRings.com | $228,420 | $1,970,000
Brazil.com | $500,000 | $630,000
FreeQuotes.com | $210,000 | $220,000
Snowboards.net | $30,000 | $31,000
Science.org | $20,000 | $29,000
LMK.com | $58,500 | $60,000

Some of my companies’ investments:
Torah.com | N/A | $110,000
Burbank.com | N/A | $160,000
Lowell.com | $50,000 | $140,000
Dreidel.com | N/A | $25,000
AthensVacations.com | N/A | $15,000
DubrovnikVacations.com | N/A | $1,000
CabCompanies.com | N/A | $2,200
CatOwner.com | N/A | $1,200
Oenophiles.com | N/A | $4,100
TropicalBirds.com | N/A | $2,800

Overall, some of the values seem to be fairly on point, although I wouldn’t sell a few of them at close to the valuation (TropicalBirds.com for example).  My domain names were private acquisitions (except for Lowell.com), so there probably isn’t an element of human intervention with these values.

One thing I disagree with is the disclaimer, “We DON’T valuate businesses, we DON’T valuate sites.” Although it may not provide valuation on websites, the value takes traffic and incoming links into consideration. By default, developed sites have more of these valuable attributes, which could cause the value to increase. One could argue that the domain name ElliotsBlog.com is worth a few hundred dollars to someone else named Elliot who wants a blog. However, Valuate.com gives ElliotsBlog.com a valuation of $9,200, presumably because of the traffic and site ranking.

One way to really test its accuracy will be to rate the values of pending domain auction names before and after. This will let you see how accurate the system is – and it will also tell you if there are human filters correcting errors.

Here are some Valuate.com valuations of domain names that are up for auction this week during the Traffic show:

40.com – $62,000
900.com – $12,000
Arbitration.com – $250,000
Bands.com - $520,000
Boy.com – $620,000
CigarBars.com – $6,200
DataCenters.com – $27,000
EuropeanVacation.com – $35,000
GolfClubs.com – $410,000
Hookahs.com - $15,000
Marketers.com – $2,000
OfficeSupply.com – $110,000
Penpals.com – $22,000
QB.com – $15,000
ScubaDiver.com – $9,700
SecondMortgage.com – $140,000
SkyDiver.com – $4,100
TreasuryBonds.com – $40,000
WineCellar.com – $56,000
Zimbabwe.com – $410,000

Clearly, some of these valuations are way off. I’m no baller, but I would buy Hookahs.com, Marketers.com, QB.com, 900.com, ScubaDiver.com, SkyDiver.com, and WineCellar.com at those prices right now without even thinking about it twice.

A while back, I discussed Estibot and how I don’t think you can ever rely on the results of an automated website to get accurate domain valuations. I still agree with this, but I think Valuate.com can provide an additional sanity check when buying a domain name.

Francois recently put Domaining.com up for sale with an asking price of $3,000,000. Valuate.com only pegs the value at $110,000. As we all know, the only real way to value a domain name is by offering it for sale and seeing what someone will pay for it!


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